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Four podcasts and an ongoing funeral (for the hairless murder apes)

Opinions vary on podcasts and their utility (1). Me, I use them so I’m not alone with my thoughts – what a yikes that would be – while I feed moorhens (2).

Besides Letter from An American (Sept 26 was brilliant – on what the ‘Battle’ of Wounded Knee actually was) there are four others worth your time

On a recent Bridging the Carbon Gap Peter Sikora is clear and blunt about what ‘climate’ activism can achieve, can’t, the barriers. I loved his pushback on the whole notion of hope.

Two from a new series called The Energy Revolution are particularly on good on the UK situation. The podcast is

“Hosted by Sulaiman Ilyas-Jarrett, former Head of Policy and Strategy for Renewable Electricity Delivery at the UK Department for Energy and Senior Advisor at No10 Downing Street. He is now a Policy Fellow at the University of Cambridge Centre for Science and Policy.”

First there was “1800 to the present” with “Arthur Downing, Director of Strategy at Octopus and author of the forthcoming book Power and the People: a history of energy in Britain since 1800.” A wide-ranging discussion – the stuff that resonated most for me (don’t forget, I am a history geek) was about the four phases of the UK energy system over the last 200 years.

Then today I listened to Simon Evans, who was at ENDS but has been at Carbon Brief for the last decade or so. A really useful conversation about the nature of the UK media. My intuitions – that the FT is v. good and the Telegraph is comedically bad (Private Eye have been covering its descent into total swivel-eyed lunacy) – were backed up, so we both must be right. Predictably no conversation about the deeper ways of thinking about why the media is the way it is- Herman and Chomsky’s Propaganda Model, for example (which, to be clear, is not the be all and end all, but is a useful tool to think/see with).

Finally, Chris Hayes “Why is this Happening?” had a really interesting guest, Costa Samaras, who was neck deep in the Biden Administrations Inflation Reduction Act (a huge effort to fund green technologies etc). Samaras clearly knows his stuff (he is an energy wonk’s wonk) and – which does not always follow – is able to communicate complexity without descending into jargon and waffle.  An extremely useful hour. Only irritation was the idea that some of what Trump’s gang (it should surely really be called the VoughtMiller gang?) “makes no sense”  – for example ending a 7 billion dollar scheme to get poor/marginalised communities installing rooftop solar.

It makes perfect sense if you want captive consumers. I am reminded (as I often am) of the Stamford Raffles anecdote by permaculture guy Bill Mollison.

When Sir Stamford Raffles went to Singapore, he went by way of Indonesia and saw how self-reliant people were with the palms that provided them with everything they needed. He said ‘These people are ungovernable’. There was nothing the government could give them that they wanted or needed. So what had to be done was clear. Cut the fucking palms down, so they became dependent, and hence governable. You can’t govern independent people. They have no need of anything you can bring them.”

So, anyway, all four are very much worth your time.  Alongside Letter from an American, obvs.

Footnotes

(1) “To anaesthetize people? To feel they’re learning something? To put them to sleep. So they can exercise and not feel like idiots. Occasionally to learn something. To keep themselves entertained while doing busy work of some kind.”

(2) But I should be doing more narrating of vomit drafts.

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Podcast: “Bridging the Carbon Gap – Adam Aron psychological insights for building the climate movement”

This one you should listen to. I listen to a lot of podcasts, especially on climate and energy (policy, politics, etc) and they are mostly very very mid (at best).  Here’s a recent rant about the whys of that.

This one (and another, to be reviewed soon) was the exception and perhaps almost exceptional.


It’s by a bunch of 17 year old Americans. To repeat myself , smart 17 year olds are potentially a very good source of info because they

a) have more skin in the game re: 2nd half of the 21st century

b) haven’t had obedience beaten into them by The System (“man”).

It’s a podcast by City Atlas. Who they? Well, City Altas

“was founded to help New Yorkers and the public everywhere understand and prepare for the future, as described in the reports of the IPCC, C40.org, and the New York City Panel on Climate Change (NPCC), and to strengthen the democratic process towards equitable responses to climate change. Our emphasis is on building public energy and climate literacy as a way to create support for a fast transition to a zero carbon world.”

They interview a guy called Professor Adam Aron, (personal website here) who was on one academic track (cognitive neuroscience) and has recently jumped to another (the psychology of collective action).

They interview Aron about, well, building social movements and for once from an academic it isn’t banalities, generalities and apple pie.

The transcript (not quite tidy and unhyperlinked – I have added those) is here.

The first bit that made me sit up and take real notice was this

“There’s a very beautiful example of this, given there’s a book called Let This Radicalize You by Haber and Kaba,  two women of color in Chicago. And in one of the chapters, I think, Kelly Hays describes how they’re busy, Miriam tries to bring her into a struggle to try and get restitution for victims of torture by the Chicago Police. It’s called reparations. Now this is back in 2014 and in that chapter, Kelly explains, you know, I didn’t think we could win. There’s no way that we would win this thing, but I nevertheless joined Miriam in her struggle anyway, even though I very much doubted we could win, in fact, they ended up winning. They actually ended up getting restitution from the Chicago Police. Kind of amazing story. So why did Kelly join Miriam? And she says, Well, I joined Miriam because I thought it would be meaningful and generative. We had a history of trust. I thought I would have an adventure. I thought that I would learn things by doing the process. I thought that I would discover sort of the limits of my courage. I would develop new skills. So I think this phenomenon of social obligation to each other and how we build that in small groups is kind of a key part of how to get the larger social mobilization.”

On the barriers facing academics (YO, THIERRY!)

“we actually published a paper last year in 2024 with first authors, Fabian Dablander, a brilliant young guy from the Netherlands and colleagues. And it was a survey of over 9000 academics and scientists, sort of trying to understand, you know, what are the barriers to them acting”

Aron isn’t pollyann-ish about the difficulties facing us as a species, and the barriers facing social movement organisations.

“But I think more broadly, there’s a whole suite of issues, the sort of lonely, atomized and fragmented reality in which we find ourselves. I referred to that earlier. This kind of I’m all alone and with my family in my house, or, you know, everything society is telling me, I just need to get ahead and get my brand and develop myself as an entrepreneur, I’m kind of deterritorialized from the place, I don’t belong anywhere. I’m a consumer. I’m locked in this kind of, you know, hyper-consumption machine, and I just need to kind of selfishly take care of myself. I mean, there’s enormous pressures on people to have that attitude psychologically. I think that is one of our major barriers, and one of the major reasons people aren’t acting, but I think also people don’t know what to do, even people who completely get that global heating is caused by the burning of fossil fuels, who understand, as many adults do, who have children, that this is really a threat now to people’s livelihoods and wellbeing and their kids lives in the next few decades, people don’t know what to do. I think that’s a really that gets back to a bigger question you asked me about, how do we mobilize the wider society? Because there’s myriad things people can do, but we really need them to act together towards really strong policy.”


Sure, he doesn’t talk about emotacycles or the smugosphere, or ego-fodderification, but what kind of depressive maniac does that anyway.

Does the interviewer always follow up on the interesting stuff Aron says? No, she sticks to her list of questions but a) that’s okay and b) they are good questions.  Over time, I suspect she will develop the skills and confidence start to go down (and come out of) rabbit holes with interviewees. (NB there is absolutely nothing wrong with what she is doing now).

Is this podcast worth your time? This episode, hell yes, and I have high hopes for the others in the series.